Staying Productive and Proactive

Cody Liskh
Fay Thank you so much for joining. Can you start by giving us a little bit of background on how you ended up at where you are today?

Fay Sharpe 
 Yeah, first of all, hi everyone in America. Lovely to speak to you all and Cody and Brooke thank you for having me. I'm calling you from a sunny garden me, which is the home of the holiday to remember that movie with Cameron Diaz.

Cody Liskh
Yes, yes, yes.

Fay Sharpe
That's where I'm calling you from. so, a little bit about me Well, I'll tell you a bit about my starting in life and my career. So, I don't come from a very well background. I actually was born and lived in a cancer high switching in the US will be a 10 house. My parents didn't have a lot of money. My dad worked really hard work six days a week as a janitor and He died suddenly when I was 14 which was really unfortunate because I didn't have any money so I had a choice and the choice was to find my way and make a success of myself or not. So, I chose obviously to go for it. And I put myself through university. And when I started my first job, I was very sure my boss asked me what I wanted to be. And without thinking, I said to him, I want to be a millionaire by the time I'm 30 And he laughed at me, which you should never do. Don't laugh at me because I'm actually quite a determined person and it almost sort of spurred me on to actually be even more determined to achieve something so When I hit 30 I actually owed somewhere in the region of about 6- $700,000 in business loans and debts and what have you. However, I reset my goals. And when I hit 40, I sold my business, which was an event agency, the largest in the UK, a company called Zibrant I sold that for 15.9 million and I achieved my goal. And it wasn't just about the money. It was about success, being a role model and I wanted to be someone so I can help other people

Brooke Gracey
Oh my gosh, that is the greatest story. I like, I need some of your energy Fay to some of that inspiration.

Fay Sharpe
I am annoyingly positive, but I think, you know, I think positivity breeds positivity. So, I'm a great believer in What you put out there is what you get back. So, I tried to put out the good stuff. And I get a lot of good stuff back. That's my motto. So, and also one of my other Key things always is to believe in yourself. So, I always tell you to know all my mentees and people I work with, you know, you have to believe you have to start with yourself. You have to believe in yourself. You believe in yourself, then everything else. So yeah.

Brooke Gracey
I'm A firm believer in that as well. Fact. People say I have a lot of confidence, but You know, it's, it's a lot of just believing in yourself and setting some goals and trying to reach those dreams. And what I love about your story too is that it didn't exactly happen the way that you expected, but it was all very positive you're able to pivot.

Fay Sharpe
Yeah, you know, it's not easy. I mean, when I sold the business back in 2007, I sold it twice. Actually, I sold it, and then I bought it back to one of the partners that I bought the business. And then we sold it again, and it's now, as I've Zibrant is now part BCD meetings and events which is a great meetings company. They're fabulous to work with and they've been great. You know, throughout the time I've worked with them. But so, what possible 15, you might say, well, where did that come from. So, when I sold the business back in 2007, I think I felt I was really lucky. I've worked hard at being lucky, though, and I decided that I wanted to not just be successful with business and have to Do well financially, but I also wanted to give something back. I wanted to help other people. And it wasn't until about 2011 when I was at a meetings and events industry awards and it was the event 100 where they celebrate the top 100 people in the events industry and About 78% of the top 100 were men. Okay, which was fab for the guys, but I was like, hang on a minute Where are you know, bearing in mind our industry 75% female

Brooke Gracey
I was gonna say that there's a lot of women in the events Industry. So, it seems a little off.

Fay Sharpe
So I challenged the organizers And I said why they're not, you know Why are there not more women here in this top 100. And she said, well, the women don't seem to put themselves forward for this. And so, I looked a bit more into it and really find out that there was a bit of a call or the has been a confidence issue with women over the years. In that we tend to hold back until we're 100% good at something before we actually say, yeah, I can do that. So I back in 2014 I decided to create a mentoring program, a free of charge, not for profit mentoring program for women in the events industry, supported by men, and male and females And I came up with a brand FastForward15 I reached out to the network of my 25 years of working in this industry and ask people that I respected, would you, would you be a mentor for a year.
I worked on a program writing a government program. So, it wasn't just like hooking two people up for coffee. I wanted it to be something more substantial so that people actually went through a whole year of growing and developing themselves and being the best that they could be. Um, and then I put this out to in all the UK industry magazines and I have like 250 applications in the first year. So, um, and then it went from there, really. So, the program is different from other mentoring programs out there in the People have to apply First of all, and I only pick 15 women every year to have a place of on this program. And they get a year's worth of one on one mentoring with a senior person male, female from the industry, but they also get training days with me. So, we do a training day where we look at things like pitching or building their brand or we do vision boards. So, they really get lost. And we also try and help them attend things that they might not normally have attended. So, for example, I might try and get them to a board meeting or go to a networking Program that they might not have been able to attend otherwise. So, they come at the end of the year, I think, with a huge degree of experience they build a network and they create an alumnus that actually goes on, way beyond that year. And the last thing they have to do is they have to put on a charity event. They have no budget. With the intention of raising money for charity other women's charges and also supporting the program. So yeah, and this is your five so it must be something like, yeah.

Brooke Gracey
I was going to ask you, what does fastforward15 mean, but I think I got the 15 parts.

Fay Sharpe
Like15 women's careers or, you know, and it might not be that someone wants to be on the board or they might not want to be the director of whatever on the VP or whatever you want to call it. So just might want the confidence to stand up And speak at an event or they might be in a situation where you know that they never put a hand up when someone asks you know The moon, but sometimes it's just small baby steps and sometimes it's people with a huge ambition to set their own businesses up so we do get a variety of people that want to be part of the program which is wonderful.

Brooke Gracey
That's fantastic.

Cody Liskh
I love that. And I feel like you probably have just a wealth of information and knowledge to pass on to these 15 people every year and I feel like part of that is probably some advice on how to prepare yourself for getting back into it. So, what kind of advice can you give our listeners about how to prepare for, you know, getting back into it.

Fay Sharpe
if you're at home now and you'll be furloughed or you're working from home or whatever the situation is. Have a routine. Don't just, you know, wake up. When you feel like it and do better work and put your pajamas on and I, by the way, I have got prizes on today. I'm wearing a real size. It's not pajama sounds good. So, so try routine to try and work out time if you're going to get up, make sure also that you get outside, and you do some exercise. So, and I think if you can start this intraday like a wall or a yoga DVD or video whatever or Netflix or whatever it is Try and get something in there and you have a dog, take out for a walk and so you're not sat at the computer for the whole day you're actually getting up and down and actually do things. I think also break your day up into segments. So, you're doing different things.
So that when you do go back to work. And I think a lot of us will actually go back to work from home again. I think the world has changed and we may not be going back to an office all the time. And it means that you're going to be better prepared for the new world is as we will change the way we work.

Brooke Gracey
Like, I love that my dog certainly appreciates when I take him out for a little walk. There's been a lot of people who, you know, maybe they've been furloughed and they're looking for work, but you know they're looking to build their skill sets too because there's a lot that goes into the events industry. Do you have any advice on what they should focus on? Yeah.

Fay Sharpe
I mean, obviously, we will have different disciplines I were all doing a slightly different job. Some people may be in marketing or something, maybe Venue sourcing or logistics or other areas of the events industry. So, I think obviously it depends on you. Um, One of the things I did because I am a bit crazy. As I signed up for 15 diplomas, which I'm on the three I've completed three so far.
Just an online company. I mean, you know, put it, really interesting. So, I've done everything from canine dog behavior which is from my dog because he's crazy too Through to social media. I'm I've got one that I'm going to do next, which is creating a book or getting a book ready for publishing Also I'm being a mentor. I'm doing a master NLP, so I think gotta find a company that does good online courses that's got a good reputation. I found one. They were doing like courses for $29 normally like 400 because will stuck in. They were doing like an alpha, So I just put block book 15 so I'm working my way through that and I just put that you know you don't need to race through it. Maybe put yourself an hour a day that you do that where it's something either you want to learn about that will Benefit you or something that is going to be good for your career. So, find a company that does something good and look at the course they do. And look at where are your gaps in your skillset.

Brooke Gracey
in your social media course that you did, did you find out any good tips or tricks for people who are looking for jobs?

Fay Sharpe
Oh, did you know I think one of the key things? So, bear in mind guys I know I look really young, but when I first started my career, I had a PA who actually had a typewriter. Okay, so I have had to learn that the hard way. But if you'd have said to me that Could you do the things that I do now on you know my social media item said no, five or six years ago, but you have to. It's the way of the world. It's at how we all work so I, one of the things I've done is during this period that I've had more time I've revamped my Instagram. For example, it was an area I was maybe neglecting So I'm looking a lot more how I feel. That is, I'm trying to create a brand image for FF15 that sort of Fits in but also give some really valuable tips on there that actually will help people. So, I'm talking about positivity. I'm talking about goal setting. I'm talking about what will travel look like when we go back Things that are relevant, but also the human side of it, like, Sorry I posted. The other day I had a bad day, a really bad day. And so I posted that one of the things I have Is a theme tune like a little power tune you know that if I'm having a bad day I play this and it's a fireball by Pitbull, and if you know that song 

Cody Liskh
I Was not expecting that song.

Fay Sharpe
I do, dancing, and it's like a salsa. So, and, you know, it's one of those songs. It's just really like upbeat and uplifting and so I always say to people When they're a bit down or whatever maybe get a theme tune or get a song that really gets you going and put that on. Because I think that's a good way of motivating yourself so. So, going back to the social Um, I think, make sure what you're putting out those relevant. The worst thing you could do is be putting stuff out on social media that actually is not relevant for today's environment so That's just a typical I think I think spending time on your personal brand is really worth it. You know you if you're going to be looking for a job or even if you're in a job or whatever your situation is building your own personal brand up is only beneficial. I mean, I've spent 25 years building my brand.
And now I have my business me really the FF15 and I've sold my previous business, but I have my own personal brand and that might be something you want to do in the future. So, you got to start somewhere.

Brooke Gracey
Yeah, like I use. I use social media in different ways, right. So, Instagram and Facebook are kind of like more my personal like my Family follows me and my friends but LinkedIn and Twitter that's more my professional persona So that's where I'm tweeting articles about the industry and things like that. So, taking a look at your social media is never a bad idea.

Fay Sharpe
Absolutely. And I think you're right. Choose the medium that you want to, you know, you're fully entitled to have your own personal things obviously keep those settings closed. If you don't want that to be out there and, you know, industry, but I personally I'm on everything so. Yeah, I like to communicate and different people like different mediums, but LinkedIn is a great one. Um, I think LinkedIn is a really good one for the business community, for sure.

Cody Liskh
For sure. And for all of our listeners out there. They have all of our social media links in the background right now on her videocast, which is so cool. The first time I've seen that on our videocast Loving if they just wanted to ask, like, one of the things we've been talking about on our podcast is how great of an idea It is to update your resume or CV.
Do you have any advice on what may be our listeners should be doing when they're updating their CV?

Fay Sharpe
Yes. As you notice, I'm glad you asked that question because I've got a 23-year-old daughter Who finished University last year, and she works. She's in the works in marketing in a fashion and beauty and I don't know if it's tough in America but fashion is a really hard industry to break into AND SHE WAS PUTTING A CV out there and not getting the response. She wanted. I think that's one of the things that will find you know you need to stand out. Right, so she basically this is this was what her CV did look like I know you can see that there briefly on what

Brooke Gracey
Our listeners. It's like Kind of what you would expect to see a white piece of paper, some text on it. I mean, it's Awesome color to it.

Cody Liskh
Okay, we get lost. It will get lost in the show.

Fay Sharpe
So, Again, this is, this is why we use social media. So, we sat down, and we looked at the brand she wants. First of all, we look at the brand. She wanted to work for. And she was really keen on Burberry She was really keen on cosmopolitan, and so, um, she's obviously marketing. So she looked at it was an article about one of the designers At Burberry who've been featured in The Wall Street Journal, so she really created a CV into the article from The Wall Street Journal and if you can see this. Now can you see

Brooke Gracey
Yeah. So, for our listeners, you're missing out because, on the video portion, we're actually looking at what looks like a copy of The Wall Street Journal

Cody Liskh
Magazine. Yeah.

Fay Sharpe
Yeah, so she transposed her CV on to the magazine and wrote out the internal You know, pieces of it, etc. And the grabbing headlines on the front. And so, this is what you can see which is basically her CV, so I know it was really cool. So from that CV, she got five opportunities and we put this the smart thing about this and posted this or LinkedIn, because obviously, as we said just now, a lot of people look on LinkedIn for job opportunities and We posted with a little piece, the front, saying, you know, She was created marketeer having trouble breaking into the industry get anyone off of their advice. This is my CV, etc.
And she had the week. I can't say the name of the company because she's having a final interview with them soon, but she got a call from the VP of this big sportswear fashion brand. And she's had two interviews with them. So, I was like, yay, really, you know, don't So I think the moral of the story of that though is you do have to try and stand out. Obviously. Again, you have to be appropriate for your industry or you know that fits the fashion industry because you know she picked the right medium.
But you can do things on LinkedIn, that will make you stand out or create something that's going to make you stand out. And the other thing she did, which I love. She came up with this idea. She had the first interview with this company and she just got these cupcakes made which are really cute. And she just had the brand of the company on a little You know paper cutter on the top, which we got made so that once you join the interview she had a little cupcake with a brand on the top, which the intimate
Now, I've never had a cupcake with my brand on it. So, I just think, you know, that's you know it's going to be tough when we come up this next You will period. If you want to get the right job. If you want to get into the industry, you know, your choice you have to stand out. You have to be different. But I think any creative things you can do without being over the top. I think there's a line, but some, I think you have to stand out.

Brooke Gracey
Yeah so cupcakes editor, maybe not like a marching band or something.

Fay Sharpe
You know, I did see something someone did was they said like someone a Starbucks coffee thing. So, I think, you know, you gotta draw the line. You don't want to stalk someone you don't want to make them feel too uncomfortable, but I definitely think there are some things that you can do. If you do get into the opportunities. Um, and certainly I think what will happen is a lot more interviews will be online as we're talking now rather than face to face. So I think that again Being prepared for your interview and actually looking right, making sure that you check the sound you checked the background whatever's going on behind you that you've got Maybe some slides to show your interviewer will be really useful when we come through to the next period of maybe people recruiting back into their companies.

Cody Liskh
Yeah, that's a really good point. I'm just trying to think of how you can translate cupcakes to a virtual interview. But there's gotta be a way out there, get creative guys

Fay Sharpe
I think the personal touch is always important. I think that you know, People want people who are prepared. You've spent the time to maybe research them on LinkedIn, so they know when they're speaking to, they know about the company and the brand. But maybe people that have also come prepared, so you know if you're doing a call like this for your interview.
Make sure you have like a slide ready to quickly show someone I have something I made early, would you like to see it, you know, at the right time, obviously. But I think, um, yeah. Be prepared and be organized You know, so you can, you could do something simple like that that I've just shown you that CV To show the interviewer that you've actually thought about it.

Cody Liskh
That such a good way just to stand out a little bit. Well, you mentioned to us the sentiment of the generosity of spirit. And you talked to us about your personal growth over the years and how that translates to your daily life.

Fay Sharpe
Yeah, yeah. Um, so obviously I was successful. I'm successful have had a really lucky break and made my business, one of the largest event agencies in the UK. But I also felt like at the same time as I said to you, I think it's really important that you Don't just give lip service to giving back. I know a lot of companies have charity activities.
As a leader, I was always at the front of every single activity and that means whatever the team through me, or I throw at them I would be there, leading the way. So, over the years, I've done everything from sleeping a cardboard box to hide been nervous to cycle 550 miles from Paris to the UK.
And I was due to upselling down 160-foot cathedral on the sixth of June, but that's canceled because of where we're at. But I'm going to, and I hate heights. By the way, so over the years. I probably I've raised over 100,000 pounds, which is about $130,000 for charities. So that's, that's something I'm really you know and I still work with BCD on the charity committee there and I really find it an important part of the culture any company To have a strong ethos of giving back at BCD I'm really bringing a that. So, um, but also the other thing I’ve done is, I'm a chair of trustees for small charity for the muscle Health Foundation. So, it's a charity that delivers dreams to boys and girls that have muscular dystrophy. So, and at the moment because we can't do anything physically live Because they're vulnerable, you know, in terms of their health. We are working on a virtual program. So, we're looking at how we can deliver virtual dreams to them. So that's something that I do. And obviously, fast forward 15 is a not for profit You know, people get that mentoring free of charge. So, I think generally I am someone who always likes to Help and do things and like at the moment.
So I'm clearing my house out because we're all stuck at home right so we're all going to be in for a while and I did about you, but we're, we're still in lockdown for another few more weeks So we'll maybe longer. So one of the things I've been doing is just, there's a couple of Website local Facebook groups that are like, Rena Godalming and by nothing that people maybe who don't have much money or maybe they've lost their jobs, etc. And so I make sure I try wherever I can I just delivered a lot of goodies packages to all those people, you know, I put stuff on there if they want it and I'll deliver it to them and you know people middle step. I just think in life if you can help other people, then why not

Brooke Gracey
I agree, Cody and I absolutely agree with that. And I know what the fast forward 15. I mean, that also is just keeping you busy, because that doesn't stop either. Tell us what the state of mind of those mentees right now we're over the past couple months, are they, where are they taking it straight, are they seeing this as an opportunity

Fay Sharpe
Yeah, well, you know, they're all in a different position. So, some people have lost their jobs. I'll be really honest with you, I'm one of the mentees for me last weekend said she had a call with her boss last Friday And half of the business have been laid off their travel orientated company luxury travel path and food companies, then, you know, then maybe done so she was Feeling a little bit, you know, needing a bit of a pep talk and we just talked about some of the things that she's done over the year and one of the things that she's done is set up a blog for tipsy trouble talks and tipsy being a little bit drunk, you know.

Cody Liskh
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Fay Sharpe
I said to her, I will. Why didn’t you focus on You know, doing some things more things around that? So, I think it's hard. I mean, you know, let's face it. Nothing like this has happened in the, you know, since about 1919 or whatever, when the last war by pandemic happened but and I've never experienced anything like this before. So, I think it is hard for people who are maybe further back in their careers or just starting a new career. And I actually quite like it because I'm doing all the jobs that I haven't been able to do for the last 25 years So I'm actually loving it and clearing everything out and I'm refurbishing different things and doing gardening and what have you and making bread.
Whereas my daughter, you know, Friends are all like, oh my god. We can't wait to get out. We want to go and have a drink some wine and have a party, so I think different people are at different stages. So with the mentees, I think that some are really positive that they're taking it as an opportunity to reset their goals and I think That's what I've tried to emphasize to them, you know, things happen in life. You can't always have a smooth Sailing you know sometimes you hit an iceberg and you got a real threat because or, you know, getting the lifeboat or whatever it is. And if that happens to you, then you need to move quickly look at what you can do, not what you can't do, And try and come up with some new small goals that just keep you motivated and keep you moving forward. So, um, I think personal goals. A good to have this time. So, it's good to maybe set yourself some small goals that you can do yourself like Well that's walk 10,000 steps a day either around your home. If you can't get out, whether it's doing that yoga video or learning something new like I've learned to make bread which is really good and just the small things can help you keep motivated every day On a personal basis, as well as the business thing.

Cody Liskh
Yeah. Have a good friend Jessica, who has that has been her goal is to make some bread. During this time, and I mean, that's it. Sounds fun. It sounds a little complicated. I mean, I've never tried to make bread before my life, but it sounds a little complicated, and though I remember, I remember Fay when you show me your raised garden beds outside, too And he had such a cool Goal to have because they look awesome.

Fay Sharpe
I've literally I've got I'm like an organic farm. Now I have, you know, that's my little project at the moment. So yeah, it's nice, isn't it, I mean it's and also, I like, you know, I like it gives me it's like therapy, making things

Cody Liskh
Yeah exactly Well, I want to shift gears and talk about the hospitality side of things. Yeah. I mean, who knows what its gonna look like. Do you have any idea or a prediction, at least, of what the hospitality industry is going to look like in maybe two to five years?

Fay Sharpe
Hold on, let me just get my crystal ball.

Brooke Gracey
Yeah

Fay Sharpe
You know, it's also a really difficult question. So first of all, I think that in the short term, we're all going to stay local I think there's gonna be a lot of You know US to US, travel, which is good for you guys If you have a big huge country with loads of places you can go. I think that is going to be You know, in the country. And I think in the UK, especially I think a lot of people will, for example, this if we do get an opportunity to get out this year, I think people will be staying in the UK. And I think that's probably more Not necessarily about going to places is about the health risk you know I Do you what happens if I get sick. What's going to happen to me if I get ill. What's the health care system like in that country will I be able to be looked after and will I be able to get home you know so I think I mean for the short term, I think that that will happen. I know that.
Longer-term or, I believe, a longer-term that there will be measures put in place, whereby we might have to have health passports Um, but I think it depends on if you know if they create a vaccine for this Virus, then I think obviously things may change. So, so it's very hard to give you a, like a black and white answer yet.
I do think that this may have changed some of the populations you on how they travel and looking at their work patterns you know we've all been enjoyed being at home may be to some extent. You know, people, people may find that traveling is a little bit different. And as I said, they may want to be closer to home. And the longer trips, for example Maybe less maybe air travel, maybe more expensive Possibly. I don't know if airlines are struggling at the moment, or say we have to have flights, where people are spread out more That's going to push the cost up so I'm finding a hard to look beyond 2020
I'd like to be positive. Beyond that, I think it really will depend on what happens next. But I think we should keep positive and we should, you know, support wherever we can Locally, and also the one thing that's been really interesting is the virtual meetings explosion that's happening. I know I was talking to one of the guys at the BCD virtual team today. And they have just had an influx of meetings coming in and are doing, you know, some fantastic events and had great feedback. So I think that that side of things may be something that is the next phase and May be cost-effective or more, more cost-effective and what works from work well, but I still think face to face is a beautiful thing.

Brooke Gracey
I can't wait to see Cody face to face again.

Cody Liskh
It's gonna happen sometime soon, I hope. I think I think that you're absolutely right. Fay. I mean, we asked this question a lot, but nobody really knows. I think we're just gonna have to Keep an eye out and just keep constantly giving a pulse check and seeing where we're at and taking it maybe week by week

Fay Sharpe
everything will change. And that will all be different. And then another part of me thinks, well, you know, I think people do want to get back some sort of normality, um, I do think we need to consider the environment more and do things. I think we could do things more effectively and efficiently. Um, But I still think that getting together and the industry, we're in is probably one of the most important is just, you know, we all have to travel. Right. We all have that curious gene That means, you know, we want to go and see things. I mean, you know, I've got a list of things I want to do Machu Picchu.
You know, my job. I want to do all these things, it's, it's that curious gene, isn't it, that you want to go and see things and see the world and experience different cultures. So, I don't think that's going to go away. I think this generation this generation is just coming up the Early 20s, want to travel more than probably needed

Cody Liskh
Yeah, totally agree. I mean, broken I we had to reschedule our trip to New Zealand later this year That's been a dream of ours to go down there. But you know, I, it's not a cancellation, in my mind, it's just a delay will do it.

Cody Liskh
This has been so cool having you on the podcast got to ask our favorite question. If you had to leave our event professionals with just one takeaway or piece of advice. During this time, what would that be

Fay Sharpe
Okay. So, number one is you have to believe in yourself above everything else that's really important. Number two is I would really strongly advise getting a mentor and you are Five times more likely to achieve your goals. If you have a mentor and you, I think it's 22% more likely to achieve a pay increase, which is always good news. All right. So, get a mentor. And I think sometimes find someone that you respect or you admire in the industry and just message them and say, you know, would you consider having a coffee with me once a quarter, just to be my mentor. I think a lot of people find Their flattered So they might say, Yes, I think that's, that's another tip I would give. And I think the last thing is to see positive. What you put out there is what will come back to you. So, keep positive and keep proactive and Hopefully, it would be all good.

Brooke Gracey
Hope for the best.

Brooke Gracey
Keep a smile on your face, have that confidence. Believe in yourself and find somebody that can help mentor you. I think that's solid advice. Is there anything that you would like to promote or share with our listeners or how can they get in touch with you and the fast forward 15 programs.

Fay Sharpe
Well, you've got behind me is my media, which is great and the social media. Is all there, they want to. I mean, please follow us on Instagram, we're trying to build a Following on that and I'm really focusing on that this year it's been one of my lockdown goals to increase my followers and I actually just made a really crazy video which I'm going to be playing in the next few weeks. So, it's something I've done this year we normally have a graduation event and we couldn't do that live. We can't do that, face to face, so we're doing virtual graduation, so On Monday, I'm making the heaters at lunchtime. We're sharing our achievements online and the mentors are giving their awards, but they are I got a surprise video I've made on, on the sort of the basis of love actually, which is really funny. Well, I think it's funny. Anyway, and So, so, I think that's great. So, if people would follow us on Instagram, that'd be great. And if they want to know more about the program, They can either LinkedIn with me. And we do have a forum too I just launched a Fast Forward15 Forum, which is going to be a platform to help people that may be looking for jobs that want to promote themselves in terms of freelance work or other or employers who are looking to take people back on in the next few months, whatever. So just trying to help people and it's all not for profit. So, you know, hopefully, that should help a few people. And yeah, I think, you know, that's so good.

Brooke Gracey
We can include those links in the podcast description as well so you can get in touch with Fay.

Fay Sharpe
Oh my, just reminded me also, we have a website now which you can obviously look I tell us all about the program if you want.

Cody Liskh 
Excellent, yeah. So, for all of our listeners, it's fastforward15UK on Instagram, you're not going to want to miss this surprise from Fay. so, Fay thank you so much for joining this very special edition videocast.